Feedstock is not problem, right technology will lead biodisel industry.

[biodiesel]

Feedstock is not problem, right technology will lead biodisel industry. Plantation of Jatropha, pongamia, ect. is different sector and processing of biodiesel is different sector.

We must concentrate on biodiesel processing now. We need technology whcih can convert any oil into biodiesel. M/S Jayex Biofuel Processing Technolgy Pvt Ltd Pune has developed such technology which can convert edible, nonedible, used, waste, cooking, acid oil, industrial waste oil, fish oil, fatty acids, etc. upto any FFA %.


1) The crude fossile fuel prices are increasing day by day. Today it has toched a price level of USD 85 per barrel.The price of crude fuel is big crises for our country and it is heating up very fast. It is expected that by 2010 the crude fuel rate may touch to USD110 per barrel. Biodiesel is the only answer and right technology is the only solution. Right vision and action plan is essential today and positive and constructive education of corporate, political, environmental and social activists is necessary.

2) The Biodiesel Industry is worried about availability of feed stock. The central government & planning commission has emphasized on these points. The efforts in last several years are concentrated on plantation of Biodiesel species like Jatropha, Pangamia, Simarruba, Neem, etc. The media & government agencies have highlighted JATROPHA as Biodiesel plant. NOVOD & other central & state government agencies has promoted for actual cultivation of Jatropha on thousands of hectars of land all over India. Chhatisgarh, Uttaranchal, Gujrat, Tamilnadu, Andhra Pradesh & other states with Railways have implemented many projects of cultivation of Jatropha.

But what are the practical results? It is noticed that Jatropha is not a plant like "PLANT IT & FORGET IT" as it was described by media. Unfortunately, the results & yield of Jatropha is not satisfactory as it was estimated. There are many reasons for it. Lot of research & other work is going on to study to solve this problem. It is difficult to predict about future of Jatropha. The experiments about other non-edible oil species like Pongamia, Mahua, Neem, Seemaruba etc. are also going on. But it will take years together to reach on certain conclusion as the gestation period for these plants is very high. It is general opinion that one can not depend solely on the results of plantation projects of non-edible oils species in India as a source of feed stock. It is necessary to find another sources of different oils as feed stock for a Biodiesel plants.

Jatropha is undoubtfully a matter of debate. Unfortunately Jatropha is linked with Biodiesel in such way that people think " without Jatropha " there will be no future for Biodiesel industry. It is very much necessary to delink Jatropha from Biodiesel industry. Only then Biodiesel industry will grow & flourish in India.

3) One must understand a practical point very clearly here that the "End User or Customer" of Biodiesel is not asking for Biodiesel only from Jatropha or Jatropha-Biodiesel. End user is rather interested in Biodiesel which will have ASTM specifications, good quality, less price & and all other benefit of Biodiesel. He is not insisting specifically on JATROPHA BIODIESEL

Looking to these common sense phenomena, One must think about other sources of oils as feed stock for manufacturing of Biodiesel. For this, we must have a technology which can convert any type of oil into Biodiesel. Any available oil in large quality with any FFA & different chemical properties should get converted into Biodiesel. In this era of globalization, number of oils are available in very large quality in India and all over the world. E.g. Palm oil, Rice brand oil, Rapeseed oil, Soyabin oil, Fish oil, etc. Industrial waste oil i.e. Acid Oil is also available in very large quantity as industrial waste which can be converted into Biodiesel. Any oil which can be imported in India below certain "Level Price" can only make Biodiesel industry to grow. Lot of such propositions are available. Biodiesel industry in India today is looking for right technology for converting any oil into Biodiesel. So the availability of feed stock is not at all a problem. Rather availability of right technology to convert each & every type of oil into Biodiesel is a real question. Biodiesel industry is going through innovation and transformation stage. Nobody is defining the real problem & roadmap for this industry to move forward. Everybody is talking in a different way & different style. There is no ideal model for application of right type of technology.

As there is great confusion, vague ideas and false statements are misrepresenting the future of Biodiesel industry in India. Lot of activities are burning this industry by selling plant material to farmers at very high prices or offering Biodiesel Pumps for deposits & charges in lakhs. This is going to harm & erode the future of Biodiesel industry.


With proper technology where you can convert any oil into Biodiesel. One can by any oil below the " Level Price " from all over the world. He can even stock the raw material for future depending upon the fluctuations of the prices in the market. Lot of Suppliers of various oils all over the world are available.
Today we must say "DELINK JATROPHA AND START BIODIESEL INDUSTRY". Whenever, Jatroha and other non-edible oil seeds and oil will be available, that can be converted into Biodiesel. At that point, one cannot rely on the import and enterpreneur will be self dependent for the raw material. But presently Biodiesel Industry should not rely only on Jatropha or wait for Jatropha.

4)
By review of the facts and figures about Biodiesel movement in last 12 years which include plantation projects, small batch type biodiesel plants, confusion about the technology and application of right vision, it is the conclusion that only right technology will lead Biodiesel industry in India. So do not worry about feed stock, dare to dream Biodiesel gold mine by applying proper technology.

5) Difference between Ethanol & Biodiesel is big confusion. Ethanol is basically blended with petrol. The percentages vary in different countries. In India Government is planing for 5% blending of Ethanol with petrol. In Brazil the blending percentage is up to 20% & at same points 30% also. Ethanol may not be 100% replacement of petrol. On the country, Biodiesel BD- 100, is total replacement of diesel. One can use 100% Biodiesel replacing diesel which is not possible in the case of Ethanol & Petrol. We must differentiate biodiesel from ethanol as both are totally different segments.


6) Present scenario of biodiesel industry is alike the scenario of IT and BPO industry in 1986 when Mr. Narayanmurthy started " Infosys ".

The whole world of confusion, uncertainty and complex ideas. Infosys worked with vision and fundamental ideology. It resulted in huge wealth creation for our country in last 20 years. Biodiesel industry in India is growing very fast. But it is going through the same phase as that of IT industry in 1986. We need vision, common sense and direction for this industry to advance.

We should understand this now because Biodiesel is next boom thing for Indian Economy. It does have huge potential in India and there is export potential, too.

Comments are welcome.

[abaosman]

You are absolutely right that in order to sustain biodiesel industry, the technology is very important which has the ability to handle multifeedstocks readily available, it will be better if it is locally available and cheap such as used oil, yellow grease, trap grease or any combination and still meets the ASTM standard to avoid harm the vehicles. As we all know there are Technology Issues. Conventional Biodiesel manufactured cost and quality are directly related to the type of technology employed in the process. All processes worldwide use similar technology and have restrictions on the type of oil to be used. For example, base catalysis systems can only use high grade, high cost oils that are very low in free fats. This restriction allows manufacturers to develop their own process technology based on hundreds of years of experience. This is the basic soap manufacturing process and has the lowest capital cost, typically which is still in millions of dollars for a small plant. Typical operating costs are $0.50 to $0.80 per gallon. A typical yield from this plant operation is 93 – 95%. These operations require either water washing stages or ion exchange for waterless fuel contaminate process cleanup after reaction. Most States heavily monitor water discharges from Biodiesel plants, and most of these have converted to waterless technologies. Ion exchange is a costly process and adds cost per gallon, depending on product quality. Low yield, high costs, and limited oil type used by these processes will eliminate them from the market in the near future.
The second level of technology capable of utilizing lower cost oils but requires a costly two step process, acid/base catalysis. Yield is low but it can convert low cost oils into biodiesel. The down side, plants cost twice as much as a base catalysis technology and are very complicated systems. A typical yield from this plant operation is 85% or less.

Contrary to this ECR has developed with years of research and development Heterogeneous catalytic system that can handle efficiently with minimum dose of chemical catalyst to handle any comination of feedstock irrespective of whatever FFA contents in the oil. In fact, higher FFA is better for higher btu value in biodiesel.ECR’s technology is capable of efficiently processing lower cost oils while maintaining high quality meeting ASTM standard is a market opportunity that few in the world today is used as an advantage.
ECR’s Technical Advantages;
• Lowest capital cost, about 1/3 less than competitors
• Lowest operating cost
• Highest quality
• Highest yield, approximately 27% better than competition

Any body is interested may contact us for further details.

Dr. A Baosman

[agriculture]

Dear Sir,
Myself Sanjay Dhote from nagpur. This article is very important regarding raw product for production of biodiesel. Actually we can make biodiesel from any vegetable oil. In america soyabean oil is used for production of biodiesel. We have a large scope for soyabean oil,castor oil for production of biodiesel. Castor oil is very inportant source for this purpose.
Every farmer could not cultivate jatropha because it is a big tree and take more time to give yield.

So it is better to use soyabean or castor oil to for the production of biodiesel.

Sanjay Dhote
Nagpur
Bsc agriculture(Eager to work in biofuels,biodiesel field)

Originally Posted by biodiesel

Feedstock is not problem, right technology will lead biodisel industry. Plantation of Jatropha, pongamia, ect. is different sector and processing of biodiesel is different sector.

We must concentrate on biodiesel processing now. We need technology whcih can convert any oil into biodiesel. M/S Jayex Biofuel Processing Technolgy Pvt Ltd Pune has developed such technology which can convert edible, nonedible, used, waste, cooking, acid oil, industrial waste oil, fish oil, fatty acids, etc. upto any FFA %.


1) The crude fossile fuel prices are increasing day by day. Today it has toched a price level of USD 85 per barrel.The price of crude fuel is big crises for our country and it is heating up very fast. It is expected that by 2010 the crude fuel rate may touch to USD110 per barrel. Biodiesel is the only answer and right technology is the only solution. Right vision and action plan is essential today and positive and constructive education of corporate, political, environmental and social activists is necessary.

2) The Biodiesel Industry is worried about availability of feed stock. The central government & planning commission has emphasized on these points. The efforts in last several years are concentrated on plantation of Biodiesel species like Jatropha, Pangamia, Simarruba, Neem, etc. The media & government agencies have highlighted JATROPHA as Biodiesel plant. NOVOD & other central & state government agencies has promoted for actual cultivation of Jatropha on thousands of hectars of land all over India. Chhatisgarh, Uttaranchal, Gujrat, Tamilnadu, Andhra Pradesh & other states with Railways have implemented many projects of cultivation of Jatropha.

But what are the practical results? It is noticed that Jatropha is not a plant like "PLANT IT & FORGET IT" as it was described by media. Unfortunately, the results & yield of Jatropha is not satisfactory as it was estimated. There are many reasons for it. Lot of research & other work is going on to study to solve this problem. It is difficult to predict about future of Jatropha. The experiments about other non-edible oil species like Pongamia, Mahua, Neem, Seemaruba etc. are also going on. But it will take years together to reach on certain conclusion as the gestation period for these plants is very high. It is general opinion that one can not depend solely on the results of plantation projects of non-edible oils species in India as a source of feed stock. It is necessary to find another sources of different oils as feed stock for a Biodiesel plants.

Jatropha is undoubtfully a matter of debate. Unfortunately Jatropha is linked with Biodiesel in such way that people think " without Jatropha " there will be no future for Biodiesel industry. It is very much necessary to delink Jatropha from Biodiesel industry. Only then Biodiesel industry will grow & flourish in India.

3) One must understand a practical point very clearly here that the "End User or Customer" of Biodiesel is not asking for Biodiesel only from Jatropha or Jatropha-Biodiesel. End user is rather interested in Biodiesel which will have ASTM specifications, good quality, less price & and all other benefit of Biodiesel. He is not insisting specifically on JATROPHA BIODIESEL

Looking to these common sense phenomena, One must think about other sources of oils as feed stock for manufacturing of Biodiesel. For this, we must have a technology which can convert any type of oil into Biodiesel. Any available oil in large quality with any FFA & different chemical properties should get converted into Biodiesel. In this era of globalization, number of oils are available in very large quality in India and all over the world. E.g. Palm oil, Rice brand oil, Rapeseed oil, Soyabin oil, Fish oil, etc. Industrial waste oil i.e. Acid Oil is also available in very large quantity as industrial waste which can be converted into Biodiesel. Any oil which can be imported in India below certain "Level Price" can only make Biodiesel industry to grow. Lot of such propositions are available. Biodiesel industry in India today is looking for right technology for converting any oil into Biodiesel. So the availability of feed stock is not at all a problem. Rather availability of right technology to convert each & every type of oil into Biodiesel is a real question. Biodiesel industry is going through innovation and transformation stage. Nobody is defining the real problem & roadmap for this industry to move forward. Everybody is talking in a different way & different style. There is no ideal model for application of right type of technology.

As there is great confusion, vague ideas and false statements are misrepresenting the future of Biodiesel industry in India. Lot of activities are burning this industry by selling plant material to farmers at very high prices or offering Biodiesel Pumps for deposits & charges in lakhs. This is going to harm & erode the future of Biodiesel industry.


With proper technology where you can convert any oil into Biodiesel. One can by any oil below the " Level Price " from all over the world. He can even stock the raw material for future depending upon the fluctuations of the prices in the market. Lot of Suppliers of various oils all over the world are available.
Today we must say "DELINK JATROPHA AND START BIODIESEL INDUSTRY". Whenever, Jatroha and other non-edible oil seeds and oil will be available, that can be converted into Biodiesel. At that point, one cannot rely on the import and enterpreneur will be self dependent for the raw material. But presently Biodiesel Industry should not rely only on Jatropha or wait for Jatropha.

4)
By review of the facts and figures about Biodiesel movement in last 12 years which include plantation projects, small batch type biodiesel plants, confusion about the technology and application of right vision, it is the conclusion that only right technology will lead Biodiesel industry in India. So do not worry about feed stock, dare to dream Biodiesel gold mine by applying proper technology.

5) Difference between Ethanol & Biodiesel is big confusion. Ethanol is basically blended with petrol. The percentages vary in different countries. In India Government is planing for 5% blending of Ethanol with petrol. In Brazil the blending percentage is up to 20% & at same points 30% also. Ethanol may not be 100% replacement of petrol. On the country, Biodiesel BD- 100, is total replacement of diesel. One can use 100% Biodiesel replacing diesel which is not possible in the case of Ethanol & Petrol. We must differentiate biodiesel from ethanol as both are totally different segments.


6) Present scenario of biodiesel industry is alike the scenario of IT and BPO industry in 1986 when Mr. Narayanmurthy started " Infosys ".

The whole world of confusion, uncertainty and complex ideas. Infosys worked with vision and fundamental ideology. It resulted in huge wealth creation for our country in last 20 years. Biodiesel industry in India is growing very fast. But it is going through the same phase as that of IT industry in 1986. We need vision, common sense and direction for this industry to advance.

We should understand this now because Biodiesel is next boom thing for Indian Economy. It does have huge potential in India and there is export potential, too.

Comments are welcome.

[k1jatrophaoils]

Dear Biodiesel!!.
No one can market Biodiesel for a price more than Rs33/liter in India.
No one can make Biodiesel without an alcohol namely Methanol.
No one can make Biodiesel from such a feedstock which is more than Rs22/kg.

Please let us know such an oil which is available for less than Rs22/kg. anywhere in India?
Then what shall be the investment in Plant and Machinery?
Is there any investor who shall put in his money without any results sir???
what is that technology you are talking about which could save cost in making Biodiesel?
Will it be below Rs8/liter considering the cost of methanol say Rs30/liter.and can it be less than 13% per liter of veg.oil.

What about the yield if you use a waste oil like Acid oil of 96%FFA?
Do you have any buyers for glycerine and soapstocks????

Fish oil is Rs32/liter today.
In fact, its quite easy to advise others but is better you tell us the negatives of Fish oil before suggesting it as a raw material.
What about Animal waste?
Is it anywhere near Rs30/kg?

Yes!
Jatropha or Poongamia are no way a contender for Biodiesel makers.
But I fully dis agree with you that making Biodiesel is so profitable with a technology alone.

You have a personnel affection to IT bosses!(The Real estate boomers in selective cities globally)
Good.
They are building their wealth and least bothered about my poor countrymen who lives in Villages.
Its nothing exciting to talk about these guys who made money in the name of Knowledege.

Everyone is entilted to express their own vision and Mission on Biodiesel in India.
Mind you!
Its the feedstock the problem.Absolutely! We can make Biodiesel without a Machinery say 100Liters/day.I will show those things if required later on with foolproof.
Name any one company in India which produce and sell Biodiesel for Rs33/liter through out the year except a compulsive one in the case of Southern online Bio technology, Hyderabad.Incidently, I would like to mention here about the PMTC Pune till recently I read a article that they have stopped buying Biodiesel.
The reason is PRICE.
I invite you to prove that you can deliver a fine Biodiesel for a price of Rs30/liter with your technology and if not please correct yourself while lecturing on Biodiesel without knowing the fundamental knowledge.

We know the city of Pune for lot of innovations and immitaions.
For heaven sake!
Narayanmurthys are not required for making clean fuels in India.
For your ready informations, I have a order for huge quantity of Biodiesel but without a suitable price.

Iam dead against importing oil bomb (PALM)or its ugly presence in the oil industry since thirty years.
May be some corporate friends may like to establish few units in SEZs and just undertake the custom house trading of import and export of palm products in India.

As a genuine consumer, I ahve used B100 more than 5000Lts so far and I know how difficult it is to sell Biodiesel in India.

IT industry is a boom with lot of Political backings.
Can you show any data that can justify that Biodiesel is treated in par with Premzis and narayanamurthys?????

We are not idiots to hear those names here who are irrelevant in the field of agriculture.
Needless to say that the satta bazaar tactics of our corporate rats will disappear soon in this country once the much boring IT products are converted into biodiesel if sincerely accorded the benefits.
The Murthys are the part of that Reform gang which capitalised the maximum at the expense of a common man.
I know better than you on these guys as I happen to be here somewhere near Bangalore.
The Wipro man began his career in oil trade for your information please not!
Softwares and Hardwares of Murthys can not save our import bills on crude which is more than 120000 crores/annum.
The much fancied IT people have devloped laziness in the name of reforms that is all.They never been useful to rural mass with thier Laptops and ipods.
The Biofuel Industry needs farmers and performers and not any Reformers online.


We are really Indians.
We need a Indian fuel.
We are worried equally with the involvement of a alcohol in Biodisel too.
We know how Ethanol Industries are shaping well in Maharashtra.

Please Re-arrange your statement on feedstocks or else prove that you have a definate source of raw material in this country so that we shall join your technology to learn the processing of Biodiesel.

Bhadrinath.

[k1jatrophaoils]

[quote=agriculture;37663]Dear Sir,
Myself Sanjay Dhote from nagpur. This article is very important regarding raw product for production of biodiesel. Actually we can make biodiesel from any vegetable oil. In america soyabean oil is used for production of biodiesel. We have a large scope for soyabean oil,castor oil for production of biodiesel. Castor oil is very inportant source for this purpose.
Every farmer could not cultivate jatropha because it is a big tree and take more time to give yield.

So it is better to use soyabean or castor oil to for the production of biodiesel.

Sanjay Dhote
Nagpur
Bsc agriculture(Eager to work in biofuels,biodiesel field)
Hello Sanjay Dhote!

welcome to this debate.
You are much aware of Soya and castor than me since you are a specialist in Agriculture.
Please tell me what is the cost of castor seeds or oil as of now.
Then of course!
what about Indian soya bean.
Is it possible to make Biodiesel from the above two you mentioned within a price Of Rs30/liter.
Please drop me your address so that I shall come down to Nagpur and source these oils.
I hardly sympathaise with you for not reading the other factors when you look into the demand for both these two oils in edible and cosmetics
segments.

Iam ready to offer my best price say Rs25/kg for soya oil and Rs30/kg for castor oil.
Will you arrange?
Bhadrinath.

[mesmerizer]

Dear Sir,
I'm interested in knowing more about this technology and the cost factors. Kindly contact me

Regards,
Prasad

Originally Posted by biodiesel

Feedstock is not problem, right technology will lead biodisel industry. Plantation of Jatropha, pongamia, ect. is different sector and processing of biodiesel is different sector.

We must concentrate on biodiesel processing now. We need technology whcih can convert any oil into biodiesel. M/S Jayex Biofuel Processing Technolgy Pvt Ltd Pune has developed such technology which can convert edible, nonedible, used, waste, cooking, acid oil, industrial waste oil, fish oil, fatty acids, etc. upto any FFA %.


1) The crude fossile fuel prices are increasing day by day. Today it has toched a price level of USD 85 per barrel.The price of crude fuel is big crises for our country and it is heating up very fast. It is expected that by 2010 the crude fuel rate may touch to USD110 per barrel. Biodiesel is the only answer and right technology is the only solution. Right vision and action plan is essential today and positive and constructive education of corporate, political, environmental and social activists is necessary.

2) The Biodiesel Industry is worried about availability of feed stock. The central government & planning commission has emphasized on these points. The efforts in last several years are concentrated on plantation of Biodiesel species like Jatropha, Pangamia, Simarruba, Neem, etc. The media & government agencies have highlighted JATROPHA as Biodiesel plant. NOVOD & other central & state government agencies has promoted for actual cultivation of Jatropha on thousands of hectars of land all over India. Chhatisgarh, Uttaranchal, Gujrat, Tamilnadu, Andhra Pradesh & other states with Railways have implemented many projects of cultivation of Jatropha.

But what are the practical results? It is noticed that Jatropha is not a plant like "PLANT IT & FORGET IT" as it was described by media. Unfortunately, the results & yield of Jatropha is not satisfactory as it was estimated. There are many reasons for it. Lot of research & other work is going on to study to solve this problem. It is difficult to predict about future of Jatropha. The experiments about other non-edible oil species like Pongamia, Mahua, Neem, Seemaruba etc. are also going on. But it will take years together to reach on certain conclusion as the gestation period for these plants is very high. It is general opinion that one can not depend solely on the results of plantation projects of non-edible oils species in India as a source of feed stock. It is necessary to find another sources of different oils as feed stock for a Biodiesel plants.

Jatropha is undoubtfully a matter of debate. Unfortunately Jatropha is linked with Biodiesel in such way that people think " without Jatropha " there will be no future for Biodiesel industry. It is very much necessary to delink Jatropha from Biodiesel industry. Only then Biodiesel industry will grow & flourish in India.

3) One must understand a practical point very clearly here that the "End User or Customer" of Biodiesel is not asking for Biodiesel only from Jatropha or Jatropha-Biodiesel. End user is rather interested in Biodiesel which will have ASTM specifications, good quality, less price & and all other benefit of Biodiesel. He is not insisting specifically on JATROPHA BIODIESEL

Looking to these common sense phenomena, One must think about other sources of oils as feed stock for manufacturing of Biodiesel. For this, we must have a technology which can convert any type of oil into Biodiesel. Any available oil in large quality with any FFA & different chemical properties should get converted into Biodiesel. In this era of globalization, number of oils are available in very large quality in India and all over the world. E.g. Palm oil, Rice brand oil, Rapeseed oil, Soyabin oil, Fish oil, etc. Industrial waste oil i.e. Acid Oil is also available in very large quantity as industrial waste which can be converted into Biodiesel. Any oil which can be imported in India below certain "Level Price" can only make Biodiesel industry to grow. Lot of such propositions are available. Biodiesel industry in India today is looking for right technology for converting any oil into Biodiesel. So the availability of feed stock is not at all a problem. Rather availability of right technology to convert each & every type of oil into Biodiesel is a real question. Biodiesel industry is going through innovation and transformation stage. Nobody is defining the real problem & roadmap for this industry to move forward. Everybody is talking in a different way & different style. There is no ideal model for application of right type of technology.

As there is great confusion, vague ideas and false statements are misrepresenting the future of Biodiesel industry in India. Lot of activities are burning this industry by selling plant material to farmers at very high prices or offering Biodiesel Pumps for deposits & charges in lakhs. This is going to harm & erode the future of Biodiesel industry.


With proper technology where you can convert any oil into Biodiesel. One can by any oil below the " Level Price " from all over the world. He can even stock the raw material for future depending upon the fluctuations of the prices in the market. Lot of Suppliers of various oils all over the world are available.
Today we must say "DELINK JATROPHA AND START BIODIESEL INDUSTRY". Whenever, Jatroha and other non-edible oil seeds and oil will be available, that can be converted into Biodiesel. At that point, one cannot rely on the import and enterpreneur will be self dependent for the raw material. But presently Biodiesel Industry should not rely only on Jatropha or wait for Jatropha.

4)
By review of the facts and figures about Biodiesel movement in last 12 years which include plantation projects, small batch type biodiesel plants, confusion about the technology and application of right vision, it is the conclusion that only right technology will lead Biodiesel industry in India. So do not worry about feed stock, dare to dream Biodiesel gold mine by applying proper technology.

5) Difference between Ethanol & Biodiesel is big confusion. Ethanol is basically blended with petrol. The percentages vary in different countries. In India Government is planing for 5% blending of Ethanol with petrol. In Brazil the blending percentage is up to 20% & at same points 30% also. Ethanol may not be 100% replacement of petrol. On the country, Biodiesel BD- 100, is total replacement of diesel. One can use 100% Biodiesel replacing diesel which is not possible in the case of Ethanol & Petrol. We must differentiate biodiesel from ethanol as both are totally different segments.


6) Present scenario of biodiesel industry is alike the scenario of IT and BPO industry in 1986 when Mr. Narayanmurthy started " Infosys ".

The whole world of confusion, uncertainty and complex ideas. Infosys worked with vision and fundamental ideology. It resulted in huge wealth creation for our country in last 20 years. Biodiesel industry in India is growing very fast. But it is going through the same phase as that of IT industry in 1986. We need vision, common sense and direction for this industry to advance.

We should understand this now because Biodiesel is next boom thing for Indian Economy. It does have huge potential in India and there is export potential, too.

Comments are welcome.

[mesmerizer]

Dear Mr. Bhadrinath,
I am interested in your report where you have mentioned that We can make Biodiesel without a Machinery (100Liters/day). Kindly share your know how and also the cost involved so that we all benifit from your knowledge.

Regards,
Prasad

Originally Posted by k1jatrophaoils

Dear Biodiesel!!.
No one can market Biodiesel for a price more than Rs33/liter in India.
No one can make Biodiesel without an alcohol namely Methanol.
No one can make Biodiesel from such a feedstock which is more than Rs22/kg.

Please let us know such an oil which is available for less than Rs22/kg. anywhere in India?
Then what shall be the investment in Plant and Machinery?
Is there any investor who shall put in his money without any results sir???
what is that technology you are talking about which could save cost in making Biodiesel?
Will it be below Rs8/liter considering the cost of methanol say Rs30/liter.and can it be less than 13% per liter of veg.oil.

What about the yield if you use a waste oil like Acid oil of 96%FFA?
Do you have any buyers for glycerine and soapstocks????

Fish oil is Rs32/liter today.
In fact, its quite easy to advise others but is better you tell us the negatives of Fish oil before suggesting it as a raw material.
What about Animal waste?
Is it anywhere near Rs30/kg?

Yes!
Jatropha or Poongamia are no way a contender for Biodiesel makers.
But I fully dis agree with you that making Biodiesel is so profitable with a technology alone.

You have a personnel affection to IT bosses!(The Real estate boomers in selective cities globally)
Good.
They are building their wealth and least bothered about my poor countrymen who lives in Villages.
Its nothing exciting to talk about these guys who made money in the name of Knowledege.

Everyone is entilted to express their own vision and Mission on Biodiesel in India.
Mind you!
Its the feedstock the problem.Absolutely! We can make Biodiesel without a Machinery say 100Liters/day.I will show those things if required later on with foolproof.
Name any one company in India which produce and sell Biodiesel for Rs33/liter through out the year except a compulsive one in the case of Southern online Bio technology, Hyderabad.Incidently, I would like to mention here about the PMTC Pune till recently I read a article that they have stopped buying Biodiesel.
The reason is PRICE.
I invite you to prove that you can deliver a fine Biodiesel for a price of Rs30/liter with your technology and if not please correct yourself while lecturing on Biodiesel without knowing the fundamental knowledge.

We know the city of Pune for lot of innovations and immitaions.
For heaven sake!
Narayanmurthys are not required for making clean fuels in India.
For your ready informations, I have a order for huge quantity of Biodiesel but without a suitable price.

Iam dead against importing oil bomb (PALM)or its ugly presence in the oil industry since thirty years.
May be some corporate friends may like to establish few units in SEZs and just undertake the custom house trading of import and export of palm products in India.

As a genuine consumer, I ahve used B100 more than 5000Lts so far and I know how difficult it is to sell Biodiesel in India.

IT industry is a boom with lot of Political backings.
Can you show any data that can justify that Biodiesel is treated in par with Premzis and narayanamurthys?????

We are not idiots to hear those names here who are irrelevant in the field of agriculture.
Needless to say that the satta bazaar tactics of our corporate rats will disappear soon in this country once the much boring IT products are converted into biodiesel if sincerely accorded the benefits.
The Murthys are the part of that Reform gang which capitalised the maximum at the expense of a common man.
I know better than you on these guys as I happen to be here somewhere near Bangalore.
The Wipro man began his career in oil trade for your information please not!
Softwares and Hardwares of Murthys can not save our import bills on crude which is more than 120000 crores/annum.
The much fancied IT people have devloped laziness in the name of reforms that is all.They never been useful to rural mass with thier Laptops and ipods.
The Biofuel Industry needs farmers and performers and not any Reformers online.


We are really Indians.
We need a Indian fuel.
We are worried equally with the involvement of a alcohol in Biodisel too.
We know how Ethanol Industries are shaping well in Maharashtra.

Please Re-arrange your statement on feedstocks or else prove that you have a definate source of raw material in this country so that we shall join your technology to learn the processing of Biodiesel.

Bhadrinath.

[k1jatrophaoils]

Which knowledge you are asking for?
Iam not here to sell knowledge.

I can just encourage and guide you guys the correct path that is all.
I can not post here my designs and developments but Iam ready to assist someone who approach me in person always.

You need the folowing!
a.To identify a feedstock below Rs25/kg at least.
b.Such a feedstock must be within 5%ffa.
c.You must know some chemistry on handling few chemicals.
d.Then of course! you must get Methanol at a fair price and the entire process require a investment of hardly 1.5lakhs provided you have a working shed of 1000Square feet.

Iam sure you catch my point so fast since Iam in India.
Bhadrinath.

[01dto]

Hello,

What is the right technology for CASHEW NUT SHELL OIL & INDUSTRIAL WASTE OIL?

I wonder how you can make it right. Please do not tell something that is not valid. I didn't see any chain of 16 in Cashew Nut Shell Oil and basically Industrial Waste Oil is mineral oil, how you can convert it into biodiesel?????

Feedstock is absolutely a very important factor for making biodiesel as well as technology.

01dto

Originally Posted by biodiesel

Feedstock is not problem, right technology will lead biodisel industry. Plantation of Jatropha, pongamia, ect. is different sector and processing of biodiesel is different sector.

We must concentrate on biodiesel processing now. We need technology whcih can convert any oil into biodiesel. M/S Jayex Biofuel Processing Technolgy Pvt Ltd Pune has developed such technology which can convert edible, nonedible, used, waste, cooking, acid oil, industrial waste oil, fish oil, fatty acids, etc. upto any FFA %.


1) The crude fossile fuel prices are increasing day by day. Today it has toched a price level of USD 85 per barrel.The price of crude fuel is big crises for our country and it is heating up very fast. It is expected that by 2010 the crude fuel rate may touch to USD110 per barrel. Biodiesel is the only answer and right technology is the only solution. Right vision and action plan is essential today and positive and constructive education of corporate, political, environmental and social activists is necessary.

2) The Biodiesel Industry is worried about availability of feed stock. The central government & planning commission has emphasized on these points. The efforts in last several years are concentrated on plantation of Biodiesel species like Jatropha, Pangamia, Simarruba, Neem, etc. The media & government agencies have highlighted JATROPHA as Biodiesel plant. NOVOD & other central & state government agencies has promoted for actual cultivation of Jatropha on thousands of hectars of land all over India. Chhatisgarh, Uttaranchal, Gujrat, Tamilnadu, Andhra Pradesh & other states with Railways have implemented many projects of cultivation of Jatropha.

But what are the practical results? It is noticed that Jatropha is not a plant like "PLANT IT & FORGET IT" as it was described by media. Unfortunately, the results & yield of Jatropha is not satisfactory as it was estimated. There are many reasons for it. Lot of research & other work is going on to study to solve this problem. It is difficult to predict about future of Jatropha. The experiments about other non-edible oil species like Pongamia, Mahua, Neem, Seemaruba etc. are also going on. But it will take years together to reach on certain conclusion as the gestation period for these plants is very high. It is general opinion that one can not depend solely on the results of plantation projects of non-edible oils species in India as a source of feed stock. It is necessary to find another sources of different oils as feed stock for a Biodiesel plants.

Jatropha is undoubtfully a matter of debate. Unfortunately Jatropha is linked with Biodiesel in such way that people think " without Jatropha " there will be no future for Biodiesel industry. It is very much necessary to delink Jatropha from Biodiesel industry. Only then Biodiesel industry will grow & flourish in India.

3) One must understand a practical point very clearly here that the "End User or Customer" of Biodiesel is not asking for Biodiesel only from Jatropha or Jatropha-Biodiesel. End user is rather interested in Biodiesel which will have ASTM specifications, good quality, less price & and all other benefit of Biodiesel. He is not insisting specifically on JATROPHA BIODIESEL

Looking to these common sense phenomena, One must think about other sources of oils as feed stock for manufacturing of Biodiesel. For this, we must have a technology which can convert any type of oil into Biodiesel. Any available oil in large quality with any FFA & different chemical properties should get converted into Biodiesel. In this era of globalization, number of oils are available in very large quality in India and all over the world. E.g. Palm oil, Rice brand oil, Rapeseed oil, Soyabin oil, Fish oil, etc. Industrial waste oil i.e. Acid Oil is also available in very large quantity as industrial waste which can be converted into Biodiesel. Any oil which can be imported in India below certain "Level Price" can only make Biodiesel industry to grow. Lot of such propositions are available. Biodiesel industry in India today is looking for right technology for converting any oil into Biodiesel. So the availability of feed stock is not at all a problem. Rather availability of right technology to convert each & every type of oil into Biodiesel is a real question. Biodiesel industry is going through innovation and transformation stage. Nobody is defining the real problem & roadmap for this industry to move forward. Everybody is talking in a different way & different style. There is no ideal model for application of right type of technology.

As there is great confusion, vague ideas and false statements are misrepresenting the future of Biodiesel industry in India. Lot of activities are burning this industry by selling plant material to farmers at very high prices or offering Biodiesel Pumps for deposits & charges in lakhs. This is going to harm & erode the future of Biodiesel industry.


With proper technology where you can convert any oil into Biodiesel. One can by any oil below the " Level Price " from all over the world. He can even stock the raw material for future depending upon the fluctuations of the prices in the market. Lot of Suppliers of various oils all over the world are available.
Today we must say "DELINK JATROPHA AND START BIODIESEL INDUSTRY". Whenever, Jatroha and other non-edible oil seeds and oil will be available, that can be converted into Biodiesel. At that point, one cannot rely on the import and enterpreneur will be self dependent for the raw material. But presently Biodiesel Industry should not rely only on Jatropha or wait for Jatropha.

4)
By review of the facts and figures about Biodiesel movement in last 12 years which include plantation projects, small batch type biodiesel plants, confusion about the technology and application of right vision, it is the conclusion that only right technology will lead Biodiesel industry in India. So do not worry about feed stock, dare to dream Biodiesel gold mine by applying proper technology.

5) Difference between Ethanol & Biodiesel is big confusion. Ethanol is basically blended with petrol. The percentages vary in different countries. In India Government is planing for 5% blending of Ethanol with petrol. In Brazil the blending percentage is up to 20% & at same points 30% also. Ethanol may not be 100% replacement of petrol. On the country, Biodiesel BD- 100, is total replacement of diesel. One can use 100% Biodiesel replacing diesel which is not possible in the case of Ethanol & Petrol. We must differentiate biodiesel from ethanol as both are totally different segments.


6) Present scenario of biodiesel industry is alike the scenario of IT and BPO industry in 1986 when Mr. Narayanmurthy started " Infosys ".

The whole world of confusion, uncertainty and complex ideas. Infosys worked with vision and fundamental ideology. It resulted in huge wealth creation for our country in last 20 years. Biodiesel industry in India is growing very fast. But it is going through the same phase as that of IT industry in 1986. We need vision, common sense and direction for this industry to advance.

We should understand this now because Biodiesel is next boom thing for Indian Economy. It does have huge potential in India and there is export potential, too.

Comments are welcome.

[k1jatrophaoils]

Yes its!!!!

The cost of even high ffa acid oils are Rs27/kg++

The magical conversion of cashew shell oil into Biodiesel is something like owning a plot in Moon.

Bhadrinath.