Question Need suggestions- permaculture?

kashwee

New Member
Hello, Happy Sunday! Hope you are keeping safe through these pandemic times. This is my first post here, requesting help with ideas and suggestions, I don’t know if I am posting it in the right topic section. we have a history of farming, traditionally paddy is grown. however want to experiment with permaculture kind of farming in a land of about 5000 sq ft to start with. The plots are separated by 30 ft road, a residential land in a village. Plan is to get returns all round the year, quarterly or twice a yr from interplantatation, and returns after 7-10 yrs for main plantation, to be noted, experimenting only. Please share your valuable suggestions.

Main factors-
  • Water isn’t an issue, at any time of the year, hopefully we preserve it.
  • We need low maintenance kind of ideas, since we are on and off the village and an extended family member of ours could keep a watch on it.
  • Monkeys are frequent visitors
  • Red to black soil
  • finance isn’t a concern at all
Main plantation : melia Dubia or sandal wood or bamboo
inter plantation; lemon, sweet lime, oranges what else can we opt considering monkeys
third plantation ideas please?

i would be very grateful to hear out all suggestions to take this project forward.

Thank you ,
 
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rajurajan

New Member
Are you looking for commercial income? Or enjoyment?
If commercial income, ask what you can sell in small quantities in your area, and what the prices are.
Melia Dubia is a good idea. If you plant sandalwood, you would also have to factor in security -- otherwise, you will water it for 20 years and then find it gone one morning.
You could also look at some vines that can climb on the timber trees ... e.g.. pepper or vanilla.
You could look at some shade tolerant species like nutmeg or cocoa for the understorey.
Also medicinal herbs or spices like turmeric.
They all work together well.
 

garao56

Well-Known Member
The following is a list of seven different functions that a Permaculture tries to include:
1. Food Staples, legumes, fruits, vegetables, and fats
2. Food for the soil Legumes and organic matter that provide nutrients to the soil
3. Climbers Important for making the most of vertical space
4. Supporters Plants that provide support to climbers
5. Miners or diggers Deep roots or tubers that open the soil and bring up nutrients from deep
6. Groundcovers Protects soil, provides shade, holds moisture, and suppresses weeds
7. Protectors Protection for others in the system (Repellents, attractors, live fencing, etc.)
 

shri khadag

New Member
The following is a list of seven different functions that a Permaculture tries to include:
1. Food Staples, legumes, fruits, vegetables, and fats
2. Food for the soil Legumes and organic matter that provide nutrients to the soil
3. Climbers Important for making the most of vertical space
4. Supporters Plants that provide support to climbers
5. Miners or diggers Deep roots or tubers that open the soil and bring up nutrients from deep
6. Groundcovers Protects soil, provides shade, holds moisture, and suppresses weeds
7. Protectors Protection for others in the system (Repellents, attractors, live fencing, etc.)
Need your assistance for the same, your contact please.
 
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maitys

Active Member
Hello, Happy Sunday! Hope you are keeping safe through these pandemic times. This is my first post here, requesting help with ideas and suggestions, I don’t know if I am posting it in the right topic section. we have a history of farming, traditionally paddy is grown. however want to experiment with permaculture kind of farming in a land of about 5000 sq ft to start with. The plots are separated by 30 ft road, a residential land in a village. Plan is to get returns all round the year, quarterly or twice a yr from interplantatation, and returns after 7-10 yrs for main plantation, to be noted, experimenting only. Please share your valuable suggestions.

Main factors-
  • Water isn’t an issue, at any time of the year, hopefully we preserve it.
  • We need low maintenance kind of ideas, since we are on and off the village and an extended family member of ours could keep a watch on it.
  • Monkeys are frequent visitors
  • Red to black soil
  • finance isn’t a concern at all
Main plantation : melia Dubia or sandal wood or bamboo
inter plantation; lemon, sweet lime, oranges what else can we opt considering monkeys
third plantation ideas please?

i would be very grateful to hear out all suggestions to take this project forward.

Thank you ,
1970s by David Holmren and Bill Mollison, two Australians conceptualized to utilized a piece of land in a holistic manner, integrating every animal and plant living on it, and combining that with social structures designed to foster long-lasting agriculture as well.
A few principles of Permaculture as described by David Holmgren .
1.Observe and interact – by taking the time to engage with nature we can design solutions that suit our particular situation
2.Catch and store energy – by developing systems that collect resources when they are abundant, we can use them in times of need
3.Obtain a yield – ensure that you are getting truly useful rewards as part of the working you are doing
4.Apply self regulation and accept feedback – we need to discourage inappropriate activity to ensure that systems can continue to function well
5.Use and value renewable resources and services – make the best use of nature’s abundance to reduce our consumptive behavior and dependence on non-renewable resources
6.Produce no waste – by valuing and making use of all the resources that are available to us, nothing goes to waste
7.Integrate rather than segregate – by putting the right things in the right place, relationships develop between those things and they work together to support each other
8.Use and value diversity – diversity reduces vulnerability to a variety of threats and takes advantage of the unique nature of the environment in which it resides
In brief –
Permaculture is lifestyle rather than just a homestead garden ,philosophy of sustainable and holistic lifestyle .

Hügelkultur another homestead garden concept introduced by Herrman Andrä in Germany in 1962 just by observation of the diversity and flourishing plants growing in a pile of woody debris- he chalked out the concept of "mound culture" !

Dr. Rudolf Steiner is considered as a father of Biodynamic farming- is a form of alternative agriculture that takes an ecological and ethical approach to farming, food, and gardening.

Masanabu Fukuoka a farmer and philosopher in Japan conceptualized No-till or Natural Farming .

There is no such “one size ,fits all “ templates or plug-n-play when it comes to agriculture or farming – what works for one farmer, in one location , with a specific crop or multi plant species , doesn’t typically translate to another region.
No two farms or farmers are alike.
Nature never creates 2 small grains of sand or plants as same that is what we call diversity ....farming is all about maintaining diversity in the creation !
We humans invented a concept of duplicate ,triplicate , xerox ....

Start with your own without taking any cue from anywhere....soil your own hands , nature will teach you one lesson at a time
 

vrikshaay

Member
Why go elsewhere looking for concepts, designs, principles and practices..? It will be there next door..or in the next village field..
It was there in the villages of India..and still there in almost 60-70% of India's land space..but a large part destroyed by so-called green revolutions, development, politics and planning..but still a lot is there..if you want..really want to learn...experience..
5000 years before David Holmren and Bill Mollison, Hügelkultur, Dr. Rudolf Steiner, Masanabu Fukuoka et.al. (with due respect to all of them and their valuable contributions), there was Soorphala Maharshi (Surapala MaharshI) and his Vriksha Ayurveda, which is more ancient than Ayurveda (of human and animal health) and there were millions of farmers who invented millions of methods, without any chemicals, without any of the modern gadgets, and fed the world...famines were man made by power centres..not due to failure of farmers...
Best fertiliser for any farm is the farmer's foot steps-Confucius.
When I told this to young guy a few weeks ago (June 2021) - a BTech engineer, want to do farming, his immediate answer: Even grass will not grow where we walk, so how is it possible..such is the foolishness of the young generation..Let Mother Nature save them and their generations of fools and the next generations..who may be more foolish!!
 

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